In the first of a new series of interviews with academics about spiritual innovation, Sacred Design Lab co-founder Casper ter Kuile and sociologist Amy Traver speak with Carole Cusack, Professor of Religious Studies at the University of Sydney. They discuss modern-day pilgrimage and new religious movements like the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and Reverend Billy and the Church of Stop Shopping, as well as Renaissance Fairs, stone circles, and early Methodism!